2025–12–12

Minutes from meeting on December 12th, 2025

Attendance (11): Bruce Bailey, Alastair Campbell, Ken Franqueiro, Mike Gower, Baldino Morelli, Scott O'Hara, Lori Oakley, Giacomo Petri, Francis Storr, Filippo Zorzi, Duff Johnson

Regrets: Dan Bjorge, Steve Faulkner, Gundula Niemann, Patrick Lauke

Agenda and Announcements

• News from W3C AGWG listserv:
  • WCAG ICT rule published.
  • Backlog is on the agenda for Tuesday, but we have not sent items for review.
• Next week is our last meeting this calendar year.
• We are looking to have new Task Force facilitators with the new year.
• Link to agenda email and paraphrase.
• See our standing agenda.

Drafted

• 4776 It was brought to Ken's attention that "in to" needed correcting. Awkward phrasing at start of paragraph noted. It might be possible just to delete the sentence. Ken will take another look. Moved back to In progress.

• 2118 raised question if G82 was meant to be scoped to only interactive text. Title of technique is updated, and we made some other minor editors on call. Moved to Ready for approval.

• 4785 removing mention of scope attribute to td elements. Discussed ARIA role, then moved to Ready for approval.

• 4673 discussing not-fully-opaque overlays (light box) turned into a long discussion. Understanding already addresses this situation, as something to be aware of. The note in Understanding 2.4.11 is slightly different as it's about full obscuring by an element in front and about contrast.

A dialog-like overlay that does not take focus on appearance and does not either constrain interaction to the overlay or dismiss itself on loss of focus (thus allowing focus to exit into the content behind it) will be at risk of failing this SC, where it is positioned such that it can obscure other focusable items.

Some times a light box effect deliberately obscures content, but it does not fully obscure content while making reading difficult or impossible. These can just be scrolled past (causing the effect to discontinue) but are a barrier. An argument can be made that these ”fake” modal fail against 4.1.2 because of the disconnect between visual presentation and programmatic structure.

• 1090 is response only. Part of larger issue with having redirects to most current version of Understanding. Closed because this is housekeeping and there is not need for review by AGWG.

• 4762 seems ready to go. Mike will review once more and expects to move to Ready for Approval.